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Anonymous
Nov 18, 2008 11:59 AM
 
Related Article: Suffering and Evil
 
By: Arthur Peacocke by Wendell Krossa
 
Peacocke later on the same page and next (p.152) speaks of recognizing this fundamental aspect of God???s experience of the world, ???the suffering of God in the very processes of creation. God is creating the world from within and the world being in God, God experiences its sufferings directly as God???s own and not from the outside???God in taking the suffering into God???s own self can thereby transform it into what is whole and healthy???God transforms and heals from within??????. Interesting comment.
Anonymous
Nov 15, 2008 2:59 AM
 
Related Article: The Problem of Evil
 
By: Wendell Krossa
 
It seems we can waste our time and effort disputing facts about whether life is paradise (Brothers Karamozov in Breech) if others are set on seeing it as hell. It would seem more useful to try and figure out what shapes basic human mood and orientation- the orientation to pessimism or hope (affirming life or denying it and yes, there can be continuums here, it is not about a simplistic one or the other at opposite ends of some polarized thing. None of us is just one or the other but these contrasts do make a useful point for comparison). Look, for instance at Paul Erhlich, a bright man who knows a lot of facts but appears to refuse to acknowledge the goodness of humanity and life. What fundamental beliefs (in such cases) shape human outlook and perspective? And would it be more effective to join the battle here in the arena of public ideas, the marketplace of ideas? Now, just bouncing off several points Bob has made- Change is fundamental to the universe and life and consciousness. And not just change but progressive change toward something better. Life is purposeful in this sense. And there is enough scientific fact to argue this on- see Universe Story by Swimme or The Emergence of Everything by Morowitz. And in regard to this issue of change, the environmental belief that nature is static smacks of pure, simplistic static creationism. Life is also durable, resilient and strong, not fragile (this in reference to the common statement that ecosystems are fragile- yes, fragile is you view them as supposedly unchanging or static). But life adapts, changes, and responds to challenges with new radical alterations (the bacterial colonies noted by Bloom- again, the purposefulness thing intrudes here). Life is generous. The abundance of energy at the Big Bang, from the very beginning this outpouring of energy (waste according to the 2nd law) has made increasing order and organization possible. Waste is virtuous in this sense. Life is a creative force (Consciousness- big C- has always been at the root even before it was manifest in humanity). Life constantly explores the new and better (here we could note the resistance to change, to the new or different in such things as the animal urge to destroy the different- Breech notes this in people- to denigrate the different). But especially with the advent of human consciousness we now see the ultimate creative power of the human spirit and mind, in the endeavor to humanize life and the universe. We see this in the progressive humanization of society. It all reaches toward that more humane thing- and is fully realized in that which is Supremely Humane. Wendell Krossa
pheno-menial
Oct 10, 2008 1:36 AM
 
 
(Science - Cosmic Creation)
By: Robert Brinsmead
 
Millions of 'bits' of information pre-supposes a blueprint or archetypal plan. The maths to achieve this underlying the necessary algorithms is highly sophisticated ~ look at the sinusoidal wavefcrms which perfectly interconnect the constant harmonics? This methodolgy can never have been man-made. Ergo, it is pre-hoc. When will Scientists give credit for this immaculate system to whomsoever it is due? Unfortunately ~ while the system (laws of nature) is perfect the (human) users who are permitted their freewill under it ~ are not! Hence the problem.
Suzanne Taylor/suzanne@mightycompanions.org
Oct 8, 2008 3:20 PM
 
Related Article: Mythology
 
(Faith - Theology)
By: John Brinsmead
 
I can't find any way to email you, so am using this form to send you a mailing to my listserve of a post I just made on my blog that includes this fine piece of yours. (I wondered what the long quote was from...???) Go to my website to see it with formatting: http://TheConversation.org This is an Update from Suzanne Taylor and the Making Sense of These Times website: http://www.TheConversation.org. Thank you for your interest. COPERNICUS, DARWIN AND HUBBLE ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ At this precarious time, with hardships ahead that will be serious if not cataclysmic, I want to make a case for opening our minds to what's beyond our ideation about who we are, wherein the problems arose. Given there is no quick fix we can employ to end the global financial crisis, I ask for some consideration of what indeed might blast away the dualistic thinking that led to this morass, where we are pitted against o??ne another, struggling for everything from survival to prosperity. You know I have a familiarity with the crop circle oddity o??n Earth. Now I want to urge everyone to take an interest in it. What is occurring in crop fields all over the world could get us beyond where we are now. Radical change would come instantly with the recognition that there is a non-human intelligence that's at least o??n a par with ours. In relation to that otherness, we would be o??ne people, a humanity that could no longer hold sway as the aggressive dominator of the universe. This new perception of ourselves as but o??ne part of a far greater whole would sweep through the civilized world. Try as hard as the entrenched forces might to cling to what's in place, everyone would be drawn into a new basis for relating to everything. Here's John Mack, speaking with clarity about the worldview that needs to give way: I want to talk about the matter of a worldview and how it works. It has always been referred to as a paradigm and that has more of a scientific flavor. But I prefer to call it "worldview" because it refers to something bigger. A worldview is the way we organize reality. It is the way we believe things work. In a way it is like an instrument of navigation. Our worldview is what holds the human psyche together. What I came to realize with that Harvard Committee was that I was threatening the scientific medical worldview by which they were living. What has been the dominant worldview in our society could be called Newtonian/Cartesianism or anthropocentric humanism. It is a worldview that puts the human being at the top of the cosmic hierarchy of intelligence. The simplest term for this is scientific materialism. In this worldview, matter and energy form the primary reality and there is no larger intelligence in the cosmos. The principle method of study is objective reality, which separates the investigator from the matter that is being investigated. I just stumbled across something related to our worldview that I'd written after the tsunami, in 2005, that killed almost 300,000 people: Could this shake be big enough to wake us up to the need to set ourselves o??n another course? An examination of the fundamentals of how we think, based o??n who we perceive we are and what we think we are doing here, is a much needed conversation for the world to engage in. People eloquently express their outrage about what isn't working, but there isn't a common conversation about how else to run the world. The tsunami could be our spur to rethink everything. Its message is that it's o??ne world -- we need to engage with each other in o??ne system. This would be more important than giving our attention to everything else that needs attending, because, without such an over-arching consideration, we will continue to generate problems that devastate us and be victimized by a lack of preparedness for what nature can impose. That paragraph somehow had made its way o??nto a website with which I was unfamiliar. Intrigued by the site's URL, http://greatnewstory.com, I found it to be a platform for thoughtful writing about our worldview. This piece, from the Great New Story site, is a history lesson that describes major shifts in humanity's behavior thanks to Copernicus, Darwin and Hubble changing our ideas of how the universe works. That absolutely fits my line of thinking about how we make ideational leaps, where the next change of worldview could come from paying attention to the crop circles. THE DEMOLITION OF RELIGIOUS MYTHOLOGY John B. Brinsmead September 2, 2008 Since the 16th century three great paradigm shifts have seriously called into question the religious traditions of the Christian West. Whilst the scientific disciplines have been able to adapt to these paradigm shifts, the religious establishments have been thrown into disarray and insecurity, and especially because they have been shackled by their own claims to either ecclesiastical or Biblical infallibility. THE FIRST GREAT PARADIGM SHIFT WAS THE COPERNICAN REVOLUTION The heliocentric cosmology of Copernicus freed humanity from the mythic heavens of supernatural beings, be they gods or demons, and gave us the secular heavens governed by the laws of physics. No longer was the Earth to be seen as Dante's centre of the universe with heaven above and hell beneath. In the new cosmology, the sun did not rotate around the Earth as the Church and the Bible implied, but the Earth actually moved (contrary to what the Church and the Bible emphatically stated) around the sun. The religious authorities of the 16th century clearly perceived that the heliocentric theory of the universe was a dire threat to their grand narrative of the world. The integrity of the Christian message was tied to a worldview that was part and parcel of that narrative. As o??ne great churchman had put it, "There are four principle winds, four pillars that hold up the sky, and four corners of the universe; therefore it is o??nly right there be four Gospels." Of all of the great ideas in history, this notion, set forth by Nicholas Copernicus in his book, De Revolutionibus Orbium Caelestium, in 1543, was probably the most important, for its consequences were so far reaching. It set off a huge wave of controversy. At first it was just a ripple. But this ripple soon grew into a huge tidal wave of opposition to this heretical idea. In order to appreciate why this idea was so vehemently opposed, o??ne needs to understand the official cosmology of the Church and its reasons for promoting this cosmology. This cosmology was largely derived from Dante's Divine Comedy, which itself was, ironically, derived partly from Muslim teachings. Dante paints a vivid picture of the universe, with the Earth at its center, hell being located in the very center of the Earth, and heaven above. This view of the universe was so congruent with Christian doctrine that it would not easily yield to a new view of the universe no matter how much evidence there may have been in support of a new view. Ever since its publication, the cosmology of Dante's book had been an important part of the theology of the Church, both Catholic and Protestant. With mankind's position balanced precariously between heaven and hell, it painted a vivid picture and reinforced the basic belief system of the Church. Morality, cosmology, and theology were completely intertwined. At first the opposition came o??nly from Protestant circles. O??ne of the first to speak out against this new heresy was Martin Luther. He called Copernicus a fool, pointing out that the biblical story of Joshua clearly states that Joshua commanded the sun to stand still, not the Earth. Other Protestants soon joined in. Calvin cited the opening verse of psalm 93: "The Earth is stabilized that it cannot be moved." Church officials began to search the Bible with a fine tooth comb, looking for passages that "prove" Copernicus is wrong. Eventually the Catholic church joined in the battle, banning Copernicus's book in the year 1610. Copernicus's heliocentric theory was so violently opposed not so much because it contradicted the Bible, which it does, but because it made nonsense out of the official theology of Christianity. Here are the main objections to the heliocentric theory, as pointed out by the Pope himself. If Earth is just another planet, circling the sun with the other planets, how can the Earth be a place of iniquity and sin, with devils below and angels above? He said that Copernicus's theory makes a mockery of the ascension of Christ, because, if the Earth is orbiting the sun, how could Christ have ascended up to heaven? If the stars are not the lights of heaven, but actually other suns, as the theory suggests, then God, in His infinite goodness, would have created inhabitants o??n them, too. How could Christ have died for the sins of all of the inhabitants of these other planets? Many Copernicans believed that the universe was infinite. This was o??ne of the worst heresies of all. If the universe is infinite, then where can the throne of God be located? No wonder the Pope said that the Copernican heresy was the greatest threat there has ever been to Christianity and should be wiped out at all costs. The Church's position was totally wrong, back to front, upside down and contrary to reality. It took the Church a very long time to sense that it had lost its battle with the Copernican worldview. Yet, even whilst finally admitting that Copernicus was right, it still tried to carry o??n with its mythic narrative of the universe as if nothing had happened to render it so much meaningless mumbo jumbo. The Copernican Revolution was o??nly the beginning of a far greater over-turning of the Church's grand narrative of the world. THE SECOND GREAT PARADIGM SHIFT WAS DARWIN'S 19TH CENTURY BIOLOGICAL REVOLUTION Wallace and Darwin clearly demonstrated that life forms such as plants, animals and humans did not suddenly appear o??n the Earth in response to some creation fiat. Creation was not something that happened as recently as 4004 B.C., according to the grand narrative of the Christian religion. Creation was now to be seen as a process that has been going o??n for billions of years and as something that will continue into the future. The priestly author of Genesis 1 dreamt that creation was finished by the seventh day. This writer, of course, was totally oblivious of the space/time realities of a modern scientific cosmology. We now know that if the expanding activity of our universe were to cease, the universe would collapse into the Big Crunch. The Darwinian Revolution calls into question the age-old dogmas of the fall of man from an original perfection, original sin, a literal Garden of Eden, the origin of death in the sin of Adam, and the grand narrative of fall and redemption that Milton outlined so well in his Paradise Lost. According to this very old religious narrative, death originated in the sin of man at the dawn of history. It is a monstrous dogma because it makes man ultimately responsible for death and everything else that goes wrong o??n the planet. The Biological Revolution presents an entirely different worldview wherein great carnivores like saber tooth tigers and dinosaurs roamed the Earth long before humans were around. The complimentary science of geology found evidence of catastrophic upheavals and mass extinctions of life forms taking place long before humans had arrived o??n the scene. The old narrative about the origin of death in the fall of man has been exposed as a nonsense myth that is no better than the myth of the little three-story universe of the pre-Copernican age. Just think for a moment what the 16th century divines were alleging. The earth is more than a million times smaller than the sun, yet it was supposed to generate sufficient gravity to cause the sun to orbit the earth. The old creation myth is up-side-down, back-to-front and nothing like reality. "Perhaps the greatest gift Darwin gave to humanity was the opportunity to see in all of life an o??ngoing, intelligent, creative drama. Rather than thinking of a form of life as having been put o??n Earth in a fixed form at the beginning of time, we now see each form of life arising out of the Great Adventure." Brian Swimme and Thomas Berry, The Universe Story, p. 138 THE THIRD GREAT PARADIGM SHIFT WAS THE UNIVERSE OF THE BIG BANG Prior to Einstein and Hubble, our Milky Way galaxy was thought to comprise the entire "steady state" universe. We now know that our Milky Way galaxy is just o??ne of billions of other galaxies all containing billions of stars like our own sun. So far from being an enormous entity at the center of the universe, planet Earth has receded into being an almost infinitely small speck of stardust in o??ne tiny little solar system within the Milky Way galaxy. Further, there is no longer a "steady state" universe as formerly supposed, but o??ne that is still rapidly expanding as the galaxies are driven apart by dark energy by at least the speed of light. These time/space realities indicate that our universe began with the Big Bang around 15 billion years ago. The implications of these three paradigm shifts for theology are breathtaking. What a mind-blowing view of creation is now revealed compared to that little three-storied universe of the divines who relied upon the worldview of the Bible! What do the time/space realities of a post-Hubble universe do to the old theology that is based o??n a primitive worldview? Gone forever is this puny three-tiered universe of heaven above, hell below and humans in the middle, and wondering which way they will go. Gone forever is the power of the old myths peddled by the Church and derived from a primitive worldview. Copernicus and Galileo banished the mythical heavens of gods and demons and gave us secular heavens governed by the laws of physics. We now know that there are no laws operating out there/up there that are not operating down here, and there is no God up there that is not down here. Gone forever are the ideas of a literal fall of man, original sin and mankind being the originators of death. The Biological Revolution sweeps away the mythic nonsense of pre-Enlightenment humans. Called into question are such doctrines as a bodily resurrection and ascension to heaven, eschatology and ideas of a Second Advent. This is the time to let the fresh breeze of reality sweep away the mythic cobwebs from modern minds. What is the wisdom of basing an entire theological edifice o??n an Adam who never existed and a literal fall into original sin that didn't happen? Trotting out these old theological premises now is like bringing out the old mumbo jumbo used to fob off the challenge of Copernicus. As we stand astonished before these three paradigm shifts that have swept away the myths of centuries, what remains of value is the life and teachings of the real historical Jesus. None of his teachings, however, appear in any of the creeds of the Church. Those creeds are concerned o??nly with a mythical world and the mythical dogma about a mythical person. Clearly, what can't survive are the following mythical ideas: 1. The mythical second Adam. If the first Adam is mythic, so is the second o??ne. 2. The pre-existence of Jesus. Jesus was not a space man. He didn't live eternally in a heavenly world, nor was he born supernaturally o??n this planet in a way that defies the laws of genetics and DNA. The virgin birth stories (whether from Greek mythology or Christian mythology) are as mythical as the old cosmological order of gods in the sky and demons below us. 3. Jesus's physical body did not rise from the grave and ascend into heaven. Physical objects don't fly off into outer space. Even if his ascending physical body moved with the speed of light, he would not have moved far in two thousand years within a universe where some of nearest stars are millions of light years away. 4. His death was not required to undo Adam's fall and to open some mythical pearly gates in the sky. 5. Gone are all eschatological speculations about Millenniums, Raptures and a Second Coming. This latter is a doctrine of horrendous genocidal brutality. It teaches that at the Second Advent, all those living o??n the earth except for the elect believers will be delivered to destruction and everlasting punishment. No Hitler, Stalin or Pol Pot inaugurated a mass extermination o??n this scale of all creatures living upon the earth. Billions of men, women and little children are all supposed to perish together at this glorious Second Advent. Such views rise out of incorrect ideas of the Earth's beginnings. If the notions of the beginnings are so obviously wrong, the notions about the conclusions to history will also be wrong. 6. Claims that Jesus is God or the second person of the Divine Trinity are also mythic imaginations that have more to do with old pagan myths than the Church has been prepared to admit. In any case, these are myths that belong to an outmoded cosmology. Surviving the three great paradigm shifts associated with the breakthroughs of Copernicus, Darwin and Hubble is the real Jesus of history. Here is a flesh and blood Jesus with human parents, 46 chromosomes, normal cellular DNA and real brothers and sisters. This real Jesus of Nazareth, like the great prophets of the Old Testament before him, dared to teach the scandalous idea that being truly human (concerned about compassion and justice for all) was all-important whilst being religious had no importance at all. He brought to his very religious and myth-dominated culture a new vision of unconditional love, forgiveness and justice that would embrace the whole human family without discrimination o??n account of creed, social standing or race. Unlike the Church that followed o??n after him, he freed rather than enslaved people to religious dogma and myths. Web Published - August 2008 Copyright ?? 2008 John B. Brinsmead
Anonymous
Aug 9, 2008 3:18 AM
 
 
(Faith - Spirituality)
By: Robert D. Brinsmead & Wendell Krossa
 
Just a note on Paul Davies chapter in the Panentheism book. He made interesting comments but left me with questions. I like his endeavor to respond to supernatural interventionism and to rethink theology in terms of a natural world and what we now know of this universe and life. He makes most sense when he speaks of life and the world being the result of natural processes if one understands natural laws as expressions of God (divine agency). That is the most sense he has made in a long time. And that creation is not once and for all but an ongoing and inherent process in nature. And so on. My quibbles, and they are not much to sweat over, are his reasoning around such things as organizing principles and self-organization. Here he admits he is guessing. He wants the emergence of organized complexity to be law-like, spontaneous and natural, not the result of divine tinkering or vitalistic supervision. And if he means no special interventions of God, then fine. But he adds in here that life and consciousness emerge as part of this natural outworking of the natural laws. That may be overstating his thesis a bit. And I see all his points on freedom, openness, and that this is crucial for creativity. Not preprogrammed machine. This is good thought. Nor does God need to cobble together complex systems along the way by crude manipulative intervention. And when you put something in such terms (crude manipulative intervention), then of course, no one would want to be so silly as to believe something ???crude and manipulative???. But good on him for challenging crude predeterminism and interventionism. However, maybe God does something more subtle and fine <: He pushes me a bit when he argues that the general trend of matter -> mind -> culture is written into the laws of nature at a fundamental level. If he means God expressing himself through such laws, then OK (and mystery remains). But if he argues, as he appears to try at times, that the laws are separate from God as something more purely natural then he confuses. And yes, later he does fall back to stating that God expresses himself through such laws (???when the laws of nature themselves are an expression of noninterventionist divine agency???). This seems inescapable in making any sense when dealing with such issues as origins of matter, life, consciousness, culture. I find all this argumentation interesting especially after Kellor???s book The Century of the Gene and her pointing out how biologists need the mistress of purpose or direction but hate to be seen with her in public. So with Davies I see a bit of this operating here also. Perhaps too much concern to satisfy the materialist worldview of nature operating purely naturally and separate from any divine agency. And this is fine when talking science with scientists. But this is a theology book. His appeal to self-organizational properties really does not resolve much and this may because the mystery behind life and consciousness is just simply out of reach as to our understanding it all. This terminology too often appears to be just an attempt to avoid using the term God or divine agency in order to sound scientific. And this is fine when talking science. Keep it natural. But here is my beef- the emergence of higher levels of complexity- life, consciousness- is never just some combination of lower level properties or lower level elements into some new whole. The new wholes are often of mind-numbing new forms of complexity and can not be explained in terms of the previous stages and elements. Others have shown that natural laws just can not produce such new complexity on their own. I forgot where I read a good explanation of this in some ID material (noting the profound difference between the order produced by natural law- e.g. crystals- and the order of complexity of higher wholes) . So do we need some new theological/scientific explanation here or do we just need to accept mystery. For instance, how does the complex information of DNA just form out of natural processes and the operation of natural laws as we know them? How does consciousness/mind emerge out of the material? Davies adds nothing really insightful here in his natural law explanations and again, who can know and explain such mystery. It may be forever beyond reach. In the end Davies does what most do- fall back on God (natural laws as expressions of God). And he says the materialists basically do the same with such things as their multiple universes theories (as Easterbrook said in Wired- they appeal, just as religious people do, to invisible things, unprovable things). The multiple universes theory is another form of ???na??ve theism???. But what else is one to do? We probably will never find answers to such questions. And to make any sense at all scientists have to appeal to some form of teleology/purpose/design (in Davies case- teleology without teleology). But aside from my minor quibbles Davies does a good job on this supernatural interventionist issue. Some good insights offered here.